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DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Shield and sword question Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:12 pm | |
| Okay, so I have a 114att 9str unhammered Night Raven Wing. I'm wanting to go 1h with a Reverse Executioners and either scroll my Gellerhead, maker a shield and scroll that, or buy one. I was wondering, how much att on the shield should I have for it and the Reverse Executioners, combined, to be equivalent or stronger than the NRW? The Executioners, I'm figurin, should have these stats :
111/112att (Maker sometimes adds an att on) 3str 2dex ( or throw in a speed booster since Oblivion 4 requires just speed and hammer, help me decide)
The answers I'm looking for exactly are : 1 : What att shield would I need 2 : How much would that cost 3 : Why did the chicken cross the road? 4 : What att shield would be needed for both better DPM and DPH rather than just the NRW (I'm not sure how to word this) 5 : Add any comments as needed
Last edited by DeeSeng on Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:56 pm; edited 1 time in total | |
| | | Drew
Name : Peeping-shrew-vert IGN : HOLYMorphine, DARKCru5ad3r, ShoGunBoat Job : Bishop, Hero, Outlaw Level : 183, 152, 113 Number of posts : 351 Registration date : 2008-05-11 Mood : Born a warrior, trained a fighter, lived as a crusader and died a Hero.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:27 pm | |
| Are you looking for what would make you hit more in a single hit, or damage per minute? | |
| | | Hero4Ever
Name : your friendly hero Number of posts : 999 Registration date : 2008-12-30
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:49 pm | |
| i think dee is asking about dpm. For that DPM you need about a 10-14 attack shield to make up for your shield. | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:14 pm | |
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| | | Xesser
Name : Artin IGN : Xesser Job : Hero Level : 15x Number of posts : 7 Registration date : 2009-09-05
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:34 am | |
| You should ask exGenre/eQuinoxes in game he's really good at these stuff, he pretty much know all formulas. :) | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:47 am | |
| He says I need an extra 23att to match or surpass my 114/9 NRW F4.... | |
| | | Hero4Ever
Name : your friendly hero Number of posts : 999 Registration date : 2008-12-30
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:18 am | |
| ant a stat hore. you dont need 23 extra attack to surpass 2 handed even tho your 2handed sword is fat 5. ill let you try my sheild with a 1handed sword you have and let you see the different. | |
| | | aNT
Name : (specify a nickname) Number of posts : 9 Registration date : 2009-08-11
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:25 am | |
| http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~ccsoon/WeaponComparisons.htmCombined Chart - 1h:2h sword damage, No FA attacks~114 NRW + 26 extra attack, is what he told he told me he has in game.therefore 140 x 1.1450 = 160.3 -> Round down to 160160 - 26 = 134 -> Total w.att needed with sworld+shield to match in DPS. 134 - 111 = 23 extra attack needed to match in terms of DPS after subtracting RE att.This doesn't mean he needs a 23 attack shield, only 23 TOTAL attack more to match in DPS. He can easily scroll for 12+ attack not to mention leveling the RE, and a shield can easily boost the 1h/shield combo to beat the 114 NRW in DPS.P.S: I'm not a stat hoe f4
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| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:16 am | |
| I thought 3-4 str = 1att F4 including str-to-att, I would need a far less amount of att. Let's see...
58str...which is roughly 58 divided by 3 or 4, which is roughly...
For 3-to-1 = 19att For 4-to-1 = 14att
So therefore I'd need 4 or 9 more att on?
./nib | |
| | | aNT
Name : (specify a nickname) Number of posts : 9 Registration date : 2009-08-11
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:34 am | |
| I don't understand how str has any factor in this o_0
Because str is a constant and you're only changing the att.
The reason I used those multipliers is because of the attack speed of the swords and whether they were 1h or 2h.
the NRW is a fast-5 speed and 2h, therefore has a high multiplier because of it's natural 2h-ness(lol) and most 2hs are normal-6 speed, so since the NRW is fsat-5 it has an advantage.
The differences between speed and DPM are much more visible at a boss say, BF.
Like before I sold my RK, I was doing 5 min kills on BF with my RK, which is one speed higher than the RE. After Selling my RK and using the RE instead, I was doing 5 min 30~45 secs. Even though the range I had with both swords were roughly the same, give or take 50ish range~ | |
| | | Hero4Ever
Name : your friendly hero Number of posts : 999 Registration date : 2008-12-30
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:53 am | |
| sheilds have str ant and swords might have more str then before. each 5 str = 1 Watt | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:31 am | |
| So str would matter a little here? O: cuz if it does it saves me tons of money on my car insurance with Geico... jk but it would save me money on buying a high att shield/using fail 60% on reverse | |
| | | aNT
Name : (specify a nickname) Number of posts : 9 Registration date : 2009-08-11
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:32 pm | |
| str has a very small affect on the end result, probably by an att of 1~2, because the shield will add extra str. | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:40 pm | |
| Well I've made my Executioners. 111att 3str (no money for advanced power)
Hm... L>guesstimation on how much att on the shield i should have... Also str if anything. ( I might just trade NRW for 10att fence f2)
T>NRW for att shield f4... | |
| | | aNT
Name : (specify a nickname) Number of posts : 9 Registration date : 2009-08-11
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:44 pm | |
| if you do get a 10 att shield
you just need to land 7+ 60's to outdps the NRW, which should be easy if you use Vega's, not to mention the sword can also lvl up, giving you attack, so probably 6 60's needed to hit. | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:45 pm | |
| <~~no nx and failure with 60%+reverse...
Say I get my sword to 120att... What att shield would I need then? | |
| | | Hero4Ever
Name : your friendly hero Number of posts : 999 Registration date : 2008-12-30
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:50 pm | |
| let me scroll it for you dee. 60%s usually not always <3 me. | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:01 pm | |
| Meh idk... no mesos yet for scrolls...well not that many...
What would I be looking for in terms of DPM and DPH? | |
| | | aNT
Name : (specify a nickname) Number of posts : 9 Registration date : 2009-08-11
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:27 pm | |
| 13 att shield, to match DPS. | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:33 pm | |
| 111 EX + 13att shield? o.0 or is it from the 120att EX view point? | |
| | | Hero4Ever
Name : your friendly hero Number of posts : 999 Registration date : 2008-12-30
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:33 pm | |
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| | | aNT
Name : (specify a nickname) Number of posts : 9 Registration date : 2009-08-11
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:34 pm | |
| 120 RE + 13 Shield = 114 NRW in DPS | |
| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:42 pm | |
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| | | aNT
Name : (specify a nickname) Number of posts : 9 Registration date : 2009-08-11
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:48 pm | |
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| | | DeeSeng
Name : Dee IGN : DeeSeng, DeeSengJr, ArcherSeng, PirateSeng,TsumetaiSeng, PGSeng Job : Paladin, Swordsman, Future BM, Future bucc, Aran, Future PG mule Level : 155, Forgot, 1, 1, 53, 11 Number of posts : 329 Registration date : 2009-06-14 Mood : I disprove that Paladins are for the light side.
| Subject: Re: Shield and sword question Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:52 pm | |
| Okay well... 2/7 60% worked on it...
5str 115att. What att shield would I need to surpass NRW? I seen a 14att shield up for sale... | |
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